Interview with a Lyran
In
an exclusive
one-on-one interview,
Lyran ET soul and author
Niara Terela Isley
talks to The Star Beacon
Niara Terela Isley is the
author of Facing the Shadow, Embracing the Light, A
Journey of Spirit Retrieval and Awakening (2013). She agreed to give
an interview, offering a galactic perspective of life as a Lyran in an Earth
body.
LYRAN: I have thought about just
retiring from the UFO field altogether. But there's still this feeling inside me
that says this could make a difference, a major "consciousness initiative" --
this is the answer to not having to go down the road of a civil war. This could
be a way to make positive change on the earth with a completely new paradigm,
where no blood has to be shed.
Because this is something that really
has to go worldwide to every person who considers him or herself a child of the
Light, I don't want to make it a big complicated event. It's more of a mindset.
If I was going to do "You Tube"
videos, I would talk about expansion of consciousness and using consciousness to
direct things the way we want on this planet -- and -- what gets in the way of
that.
And what gets in our way? Well,
indoctrination gets in the way. There are so many different levels and layers of
indoctrination that we get from the cradle to the grave. Information can empower
people with choice, and pull them out of the programming. Once they realize
they've been programmed -- religiously, nationally, patriotically, every other
way you can imagine -- then they have a choice and they can start to break away.
That breaking away is very important
to the next phase, which is getting up in the morning and acknowledging that
there is dark stuff happening, but then choosing to put all your attention on
where you want the world to go. And if we had millions of people doing that
around the world, every day when they got up, I'll bet we would see lots of
changes.
TSB: We're so distracted … by
the news …
LYRAN: And it's intentional to
keep us distracted.
TSB: You are a Lyran
extraterrestrial soul. Why don't more extraterrestrials make contact with people
on Earth?
LYRAN: Well, I've asked this
question myself, and when I've put this question to my Lyran Star family, this
is what they told me … they said, "Imagine that you are walking down the street
and someone walks up to you, and they have really bad body odor and/or really
bad breath. And they're trying to have a conversation with you, and you're
trying not to show them just how bad they stink, and your body is like, edging
away from them because they really smell bad, and they're really clueless about
it because they live with this cloud of smell around them all the time. That is
what it would be like for a fifth-dimensional extraterrestrial, who is
completely telepathic and tel-empathic, to walk up to a normal Earth person."
It's because we have a
compartmentalized consciousness. We have a conscious mind, which is what we
spend most our waking lives in. But then we have this vast realm of the
subconscious and then we have this other vast realm of the superconscious mind,
to use the Freudian terminology.
So, if an extraterrestrial that is
tel-empathic and telepathic were to see us and look us in the eye, all that
material that we carry in our subconscious and in our superconscious, or higher
self mind, is immediately shown to us as they are picking it up, because they
are perceiving it. Then they simply reflect what we carry inside of us back to
us.
We carry an awful lot of things in
our subconscious that are really frightening; those darker impulses, and those
are where we deal with our feelings of rage about whatever. So, all those parts
of ourselves that we've kind of stuffed into the subconscious -- because they
are too troubling to look at -- would instantly be there, right for us to see,
and it would be very frightening for us.
So this is why ETs, at least my Star
family, is not able to come down and make full contact with human beings right
now. And human beings are, I feel, closer to a breakthrough of consciousness on
this level than we might think.
TSB: Is it more a problem for
the ETs, or for us?
LYRAN: It's a problem for
both. And incidentally, that's why they say on this planet that it's really
important to do your spiritual work, and not the fluffy, new-age, love-and-light
spiritual work where, "oh, we're only going to focus on the positive and we're
going to stick our fingers in our ears and go la-la-la-la…" because somebody
tries to tell us something negative.
Because, once upon a time,
spirituality was about facing completely all the shadow material that we carry
in the subconscious, to become enlightened. So, when we do that spiritual work
and we face ourselves, just like Luke Skywalker going into the cave, and having
to confront part of himself in that cave … it's that kind of spiritual work that
we need to do, in order to make ourselves ready for full contact with the
fifth-dimensional telepathic beings.
It's entirely possible that a species
of ETs being hybridized -- that are not quite so tel-empathic -- will make the
first contact, so that contact can be made and kind of ease us into this realm
of higher consciousness and more expansion, without being such a shock to the
system as it would be with a normal, fully tel-empathic fifth-dimensional being.
TSB: Why don't
extraterrestrials who have advanced technology and energy help us on Earth to
adopt the sustainable, affordable, clean energy that would greatly reduce the
financial burden on all people, as well as help restore the earth to a more
pristine form?
LYRAN: As I said in answer to
the first question, there's the problem of initiating contact between humans who
don't have their full consciousness ready for contact, and the fact that ETs
would also have to be confronted by all the negativity that we carry within that
we don't realize is there.
So that's one of the problems. One of
the other problems is that our government, the US government, and I believe the
Nazi government, and perhaps even some other governments have also had access to
extraterrestrial technology.
But what they have done with it,
because they didn't develop it from its inception all the way to full
development, is that they didn't understand where the information comes from.
They don't understand the underlying principle of zero-point energy. Because
they don't understand that principle, and that it flows from the inner
connectedness of all life, they don't understand that.
So they take that
information and they try to "weaponize" it. They try to turn it into a tool of
power and control. And the US government, especially, and probably also the Nazi
government, are poster children, basically, of why you do not give advanced
technology to an underdeveloped species.
Now, yes, we could use it for wonderful things on this planet, but until we
solve this problem of what we hold in our consciousness that we don't know that
we're holding, it's going to be very difficult. What we have to do as human
beings is we have to make ourselves ready for contact with completely tel-empathic
beings. And that means we have to do our spiritual work.
It means we have to delve into our own subconscious and find out what is in
there. How can we face up to that? What is it about the world around us that's
showing us, in little clues, just those things that we are holding in our
consciousness? Because they do show up in the world outside of us.
So that's one of the reasons. Again, I would just reiterate that the United
States of America, in particular, is an excellent example of why you do not give
advanced technology to an underdeveloped culture.
TSB: Can you give an example?
LYRAN: Well, chemtrails are a really good example. They are being used to create
geological upsets -- earthquakes, tornadoes, weather problems and things like that.
TSB: Is this in conjunction with HAARP?
LYRAN: Yes, in fact, I noticed the connection between HAARP and chemtrails quite
a long time ago, because I was familiar with how the HAARP array looked. Then
when I saw chemtrails -- and they're laid down in this grid pattern over the sky
...
I actually wrote in my book about this, about the chemtrail looking like a grid,
and then the grid pattern of the HAARP array. And they're very similar. And then
when I looked at Tom Beardon's Web site, to see if there really was a
connection, he really pointed it out that there is … it works on a principle of
triangulation, for lack of a better word.
So it works on this triangulation and they will turn on the HAARP array, and
then over here maybe they have chemtrails in a different part of the world, and
those particles in the HAARP array is triangulating with this other place where
there are metal particulates in the chemtrails over a particular area, and then
they may do something with that energy … I don't know exactly what … amplify it
a certain way, attenuate it a certain way, to create a catastrophic weather
system or to create an earthquake or tornadoes or volcanoes erupting.
That’s why I discuss Revelations in the Bible. The people that are really in
charge of this planet have every electronic device in their arsenal to make all
the things written in Revelations come to pass. So they're actually in control
of all that stuff that's written about in Revelations, and I think they were in
the very beginning, when that book in the Bible was written. They knew they
could bring that kind of a scenario about, because they had that kind of
technology.
TSB: Well, let me interject an example that we noticed. Right before the
elections in 2012, there was a hurricane that came up the East Coast, as far as
New Jersey, and then it suddenly did a left turn. And my partner, who was a
sailor for a long time, said he's never seen a weather pattern like that before.
That is not the way that nature works. It made a sudden turn, as if it was timed
perfectly … and it was right before the election. We've noticed things like that
happen before, and just right at very convenient times for those in control.
LYRAN: I wrote about that in my book, it's in Part Two.
(Ed's Note: Pages 234-235).
TSB: I can understand why our society is not ready for the advanced technology.
Those who are in control want to control everybody. They don't want everybody to
have this energy because that would empower the people, and they would no longer
be in control.
LYRAN: We already have the technology. We already have zero-point energy
technology. It's being withheld. They also have a system … because of all the
stories that I've heard … about people coming up with a zero-point energy device
and then suddenly, within 24 or 48 hours, the government swoops down on them and
confiscates all their work, and in some circumstances they're killed.
TSB: Well, look what happened
to Tesla …
LYRAN: Yes. They have some
kind of electronic equipment that can detect if someone has made a zero-point
energy device and is using it, and so they make sure that that is shut down.
That's what happened to Ralph Ring and Otis Carr, when they came up with
zero-point energy and they built a terrestrial flying saucer. They took one test
flight in it before the government came and shut them down. That's just one
story. I've heard other stories, too, about zero-point energy devices.
TSB: These stories are pretty
much speculation. There's no real proof?
LYRAN: No, with Ralph Ring and
Otis Carr, I think they're … well, there's no real physical proof, but the
people are there. And then there was Eugene Mallove. He came up with something,
and he was killed for his trouble.
TSB: Either that or they're
paid off.
LYRAN: Yeah.
TSB: It's such a shame because
our world …
LYRAN: Yes, because it could
be so much better. And that's why I'm kind of formulating the
consciousness-expansion solution to all of this.
TSB: And, of course, ours is
not the first civilization. It goes back to Atlantis and Lemuria, which were
fighting forces actually, and they had advanced technology, using crystals.
LYRAN: So really, just like in
Star Trek, these people realize that they cannot give advanced technology
to an underdeveloped culture who doesn't really understand it.
So, let's just finish up with this
point: If you have a civilization and it goes through all the different stages
-- hunter-gather to agrarian to more of a technological age, and everything else
like that -- and if there is no extraterrestrial influence on this particular
culture whatsoever, eventually -- at some point -- someone in that culture is
going to come up with the zero-point energy, because it flows naturally from an
understanding that all nature and all threads of life are connected through the
universe, throughout all the dimensions.
And when you get that knowledge in
your body and in your mind at a particular level, then zero-point energy flows
naturally from the realization of that. You realize there is an energy potential
around us in all space, and that space itself is alive, in that particular way,
and all we have to do is create something that can tap into that zero-point
energy.
So, if you have a civilization that
is at one of the lower stages of development, and you give that kind of
technology to them before they have come up with the understanding of how to
create it themselves, they are also not going to have the spiritual development
to use that technology responsibly and appropriately.
TSB: Their first idea would be
to weaponize it.
LYRAN: That's the reason why they
can't just give us the technology. But they are working to try to expand our
consciousness in so many ways. Crop circles are a big way that they are trying
to expand our consciousness.
TSB: Tell me more about crop
circles then.
LYRAN: I've listened to many
lectures … wonderful lectures on crop circles ... and of course they are
stunningly beautiful and so intricate that the guys with boards on their feet,
doing this in fields, is just ludicrous.
But the thing that's really
interesting about crop circles, that I've noticed in most the lectures, is they
are laid down on fields where underground there are these big aquifers -- water
tables. Underground water tables. So I'm thinking that when they lay down these
beautiful geometric patterns or symbols on the ground above these old water
tables, where there's large reservoirs of underground water, that water is being
imprinted with the energy of that crop circle … just like Mr. Emoto's work with
water and crystallization of water, and putting words on the side of the jar,
and then photographing the crystalline structure, and how it changes because of
the message on the jar.
So maybe it's the same thing with
crop circles. If they're laid down over a big underground water table, they're
imprinting that water with the energy of that symbol, and that water, in touch,
goes into the entire ecosystem through rain and rivers and oceans and it
imprints our entire water supply with these encoded, sacred geometry types of
messages. And our bodies are three-fourths water as well, so it's encoding us
TSB: Sort of a subliminal
message of the extraterrestrial kind.
LYRAN: I think it's gradually
unlocking our consciousness. And then the other thing that is unlocking our
consciousness, bit by bit, is all the terrible things happening on the planet
right now.
So, say they use HAARP to create a
geological catastrophe in some area of the world. Yes, it creates a lot of pain
and fear and suffering for those people, but for the people not generally
affected by that area, it creates a tremendous outpouring of love and compassion
and support for the people affected by that catastrophe. So that's how creating
those kinds of fear-based incidents of suffering is actually working against the
people who are trying to keep things going through fear.
TSB: Well, there seems to be a
lot of anger in the world, especially right now. I've never seen so much. People
are really fed up. They're fed up and they're standing up and demanding what
they want.
LYRAN: Yes, there are a lot of
things in the world today that look very, very scary. But right along with those
things, there are so many things to be hopeful about.
TSB: True. It's better than
being ignorant and sticking your head in the sand. It has to come out … it's
like Facing the Shadow … facing the dark side of the planet.
LYRAN: We have to take a look
at it. It's like diagnosing a disease. You have to look at all the different
parts that are being affected. You have to look at all the symptoms. So we have
a disease on this planet, and it's basically … you could call it the "Illuminati
Disease," or the "Elite's Disease," and we have to understand all the symptoms
of that disease in order to treat it effectively.
But that's how it should be looked
at. It shouldn't be looked at as this horrible thing that's coming to get us,
and we're just going to succumb. We should be looking at it as … here are all
the symptoms, and this is the disease … and now what is the cure for the
disease?
TSB: How do we treat it?
LYRAN: Instead of looking at
it as this dire thing that we can't possibly overcome, we need to simply look at
it as a disease with all these symptoms, and how can we treat the symptoms, and
then go after the cause.
TSB: Is there really such
thing as a quarantine around the earth so that contact with ETs is banned? And
if so, why? And who proclaimed such a quarantine?
LYRAN: Well, I believe the ETs
put that in place. As I finished writing my book, I started looking at the
concept of Archons. The thing that really made me start paying attention to them
was finding out that they are mentioned in the Gnostic Scriptures, the Nag
Hammadi Library. Because I've been a student of mythology for so long, knowing
that there's more to mythology than what we realize, I started looking at it a
lot more.
Archons are described as looking like
the Gray ETs -- small, fetal with large heads and black eyes -- and they're also
described as Reptilian. I'm not saying that all Reptilians are Archons, and I'm
not saying that all groups of Grays are Archons, or that all of them are evil.
But there are groups of them that are not good at all, and they are like a
pestilence on humanity, like an infestation.
And I really believe that the
quarantine that has been discussed about being around Planet Earth … I believe,
yes, there was one. I'm not sure that it's in place anymore. I think that Bashar
mentioned that the quarantine was over on Dec. 21, 2012, and the quarantine was
lifted because contact is supposed to be coming, according to Bashar, and I
sincerely hope that that's true.
But I think that the quarantine may
have been in place to keep this infestation of Archons that Earth is suffering
under, keep it enclosed in the Earth system, or the solar system of which Earth
is a part. So I'm not sure if the quarantine was just around Earth or whether it
was around our whole solar system. But I'm guessing that probably it was around
our whole solar system, to keep this Archonic infestation localized here and not
let it spread, because it's a devastating infestation, and I think that the
explosion of narcissism that we have seen in our culture … I think the Archon
phenomenon is behind that.
I think that they are
extra-dimensional entities that whisper in the ears of those who are already
leaning towards liking to have power and control over other people … and they
whisper in their ear and they say, "Well, if you do this and this and this …
then you'll have even more." These people kind of sell their souls to the Devil,
so to speak, to get all this power and this control. And then these little
creatures help them.
But the only thing that they really
want to help is themselves. They feed off the energy of human misery … anger,
rage, fear, grief, depression … anything that people experience that is
negative, they feed on that energy.
And so, again, it's one of those
things, and I think about another Star Trek episode, where there was this
entity that happened to be Jack the Ripper on Earth.
TSB: And it would feed on fear
…
LYRAN: It would feed on fear.
TSB: And so they each got
shots that made them happy and oblivious … and they didn't care anymore, and
then it left, because it didn't have anything to feed on.
LYRAN: That's basically what
we have to do. We have to be aware. Again, awareness makes a big difference. It
gives us the power to choose.
So when we become aware of these
things, then we have the power of choice. So that's kind of what I think about
the quarantine and it may be lifted, but we still have problems with Archons
going on in this planet, and David Icke has been talking about them for a long,
long time. And now other people are talking about it too -- Jim Marrs has been
talking about it. We have a wonderful Gnostic Scriptures scholar who talks about
it, John Lamb Lash, and also there are some good Archon interviews with Andrew
Bartzis, galactic historian.
TSB: I have a question in
relation to the quarantine … what happened that we were not able to go to the
Moon again, after the Apollo missions? Some people believe that we were told to
stay off. What's your take on that?
LYRAN: That's an interesting
question. Part of the reason is because I don't think they could justify the
expense of the NASA missions to take astronauts to the Moon, using old, really
antiquated -- in comparison to ET technology -- propulsion systems. First, they
have to escape Earth's atmosphere and get the thing out into space, and then
they have to push it towards the Moon at the right moment, so that it intersects
with the Moon's orbit and its path out, and the cost is astronomical.
TSB: Plus, they must be aware
that there are more efficient, advanced methods.
LYRAN: Absolutely they're
aware. They know that there are more efficient methods. So that is why I think
we don't have Moon missions anymore; it's because of the cost, and because even
alongside the time when we were having the missions to the Moon, they had other
technology that could get them to the Moon much more quickly. It pre-dated the
Moon landings and program.
So, I think that at some point, they
just thought, well, this is useless to be spending all this money on these
things just for the public. It just kind of looked like it died out. The
attitude was kind of like, "Well, we made it to the Moon before the Russians …
there's nothing there, just Moon rocks and dust."
TSB: Are there
extraterrestrials on the Moon?
LYRAN: The real truth of the
matter is there are ET bases on the other side of the Moon, and there are human
bases, and I have … because of my experiences … Now, I didn't have a lot
of experiences on the Moon, but I was there enough to pick up certain
impressions. Cory Goode talks about the Moon being like Switzerland -- a neutral
place, where you have to abide by certain laws and principles to operate there …
TSB: Like Antarctica?
LYRAN: Yes. The Moon is like
that … and that was my impression of the Moon when I was there. And there are ET
bases on the Moon.
I mean, people don't have to believe
me. If this is too fantastic for you to believe, then don't believe it. I have
no problem, and it's not going to hurt my feelings.
But my experience was seeing that an
ET went to my superior officer, during my time on the Moon, and said to him,
"You have no idea who you have there. Do you realize everything that you're
doing to her gets reported back to her people?"
And what that ET was saying was
because he could look at me energetically and see that I was connected to the
Lyrans. He knew that I'm, like, going back and forth with my astral body to the
Lyran mothership and uploading my experiences into their systems.
And they got me out of that. When the
ET said that to the superior officer, they took me back to Earth, wiped my
memory, and pretty much got me out of that program, because I suspect there is a
treaty of some kind between the Lyrans and the United States government or the
governments of Earth, and it may be that -- and this is a stretch, I know, but I
just have a feeling about it -- it may be that because of this treaty that may
exist between the Lyrans and Earth governments or US government, that they
realize they were not allowed to be using me in the way that I was being used …
TSB: Which was as a slave,
basically.
LYRAN: Yeah. Again, if that’s
too far-fetched ... I am trying to get some confirmation of this from other
channels, and I've been trying to work with Mark and JoAnn Richards, because he
has a knowledge of treaties between the government and different
extraterrestrial groups. So I'm trying to see if there is even something like
that that he could report on. But I haven't heard anything back yet.
Anyway, my general impression of when
I was on the Moon was very similar to what Cory Goode was saying, that it's a
neutral area like Switzerland and everybody, even if there are people and ETs
that are hostile to each other on the Moon, they abide by those rules because,
as Cory Goode said, everyone abides by the rules because to not abide by
the rules is too terrible to even contemplate.
So that's my take on why we don't
have any more landings on the Moon, because we already have a presence there. We
already have the technology, where we're going back and forth all the time.
TSB: And are we also going to Mars?
LYRAN: Yes, we are, and I believe
we have stargates as well as craft. Part of that was, David Wilcock said the
Stargate movie and TV show actually had incidents in that show that actually
happened that were leaked out of the military; specifically the one that
happened in Antarctica, where they found a stargate in Antarctica. So that is
when I got interested in watching Stargate, because I had never watched
the series, and so I looked it up and saw there were 10 seasons.
TSB: Do extraterrestrials
possess memories of their past lives? And why do Earth babies come into the
world "veiled"?
LYRAN: This question isn't
going to be answered by a Lyran perspective, but there was a book I read or was
in the process of reading … it's called Alien Interview … it was really a
good book, and I think this was almost mentioned by Andrew Bartzis in his series
of interviews that he did. I think there were 20 segments that were each 20-25
minutes long. And there is actually technology on the earth that causes ... when
you're born here, it causes you not to remember. And it was pretty complete and
comprehensive until like, the last maybe, 100 years, 50 years, where some of
that technology was taken over by the good guys, for lack of a better term --
good extraterrestrials -- and was shut down.
And so some segments of the Earth
population are having more past-life memories emerge. I think that there is some
actual technology down in the ground and projecting fields of energy around the
earth that actually keep us from remembering our past lives.
TSB: It seems like that would
be on purpose. Maybe we need that in order to evolve …
LYRA: But remember, those who
don't remember their past are doomed to repeat it.
So, if we don't remember who we
really are, or where we came from, or all the different lifetimes we've had,
then we're going through the same thing. Even right now, in the United States of
America … we have the … and I'm a pacifist, I'm not a gun-toting crazy person or
anything else like that. But I am a former member of the US Air Force, and I
took an oath to defend the United States and its Constitution against all
enemies, foreign and domestic, and because I'm a good student of history, I
understand that during the Revolutionary War, the reason that we went to war
with England was because of tremendous amounts of control and unfair taxation.
We went to war to say, "This is
enough, we have rights, we have sovereign rights as individual living beings,
and all life is sacred and all life deserves to have these ways of living."
Okay?
And so we put the Constitution
together, and we put this Second Amendment in there, the right to bear arms, in
case the government ever went wrong, so that we could put it right again.
And now they're wanting to take away
our guns. So this is a perfect example of those who don't remember history are
doomed to repeat it, because people are such poor students of history now, that
they do not realize why our founding fathers put the Second Amendment in the
Constitution, to begin with.
TSB: And it seems like they're not
teaching Civics in grade school or high school anymore. They are really
indoctrinating people.
LYRAN: They don't want people
to be empowered with knowledge, because when you are empowered with knowledge,
then you are empowered with choice.
TSB: They want you to be good
little humans …
LYRAN: Automatons …
TSB: Just play your video
games and pay attention to your cell phones, and forget everything else.
LYRAN: They say, "Watch the
stuff we put in front of you and choose from that." Don't make your own
choices, you know. This goes back to the indoctrination thing, where that's the
beginning of unlocking our consciousness is to realize all the levels and layers
of indoctrination that are applied to us from birth to death, and pulling out of
it.
TSB: Yeah, there are scary things
to learn about, but you need to know those, to make the right choices.
LYRAN: Exactly.
TSB: Is there any hope of our
race on Earth actually transcending all the debris and corruption that surrounds
us, so that we can become galactic citizens and progress to higher levels?
LYRAN: Yes, I think there is.
But it's going to take a lot of heart and courage and energy on the behalf of
humans to do that.
TSB: Is it going to take a big
disaster, like an EMP pulse that would wipe out a lot of technology, in order
for people to get back to basics? Is that the answer?
LYRAN: It doesn't have to.
It's like, if they ever take away our Internet, people are used to having a
whole network for connections that goes all the way around the world. If that
was suddenly taken away, it's just possible that those of us who are already
waking up might find out about the "Inner" Net. And we might find that those
people whom we really resonate with, that we really feel a strong connection to,
may still feel that connection, even though the Internet connection is cut off.
And we might find that there are ways
to resonate together or communicate, or send an idea back and forth. And as soon
as we figure out that that's happening -- even a little bit -- then that's like
the toe in the door, and "wow, that's possible…" and then more and more becomes
possible.
So I think that it would be a very
bad thing for them to take away our Internet and awaken that sleeping part of
humanity that would then wake up and then come "on line," transcending the greed
and corruption.
There are two groups on the planet.
There's the service-to-self people, who are definitely doing the greed
and corruption thing. And they are controlled by Archons, who make sure that
greed and corruption makes all these emotions of misery for Archons to feed off
of.
And then there are people who are
watching all this stuff going on, and these are the service-to-the-One,
service-to-the-All, and they see this and it's the contract presented by
the greed and corruption that makes them want to choose "other." They live from
their heart, from their conscience, and from their compassion. So these people
really, really want this Earth to be different.
They may not be figuring out how
can we make it different -- just yet, but the impulse is there. So we can do it,
and I really feel that we are heading in that direction, but we have a ways to
go.
What we really need to understand is
that it is being done to us and how we are being manipulated, because as soon as
we understand that, our choices become even more powerful. At the subconscious
level, we do know what is going on, and that is another "contact conundrum" that
touches on the non-interference principle.
Knowledge is power, and this is why
they are trying to keep us dumbed down.
But the more that we are able to
educate ourselves and look at what is really going on, it will free us. And some
of the information isn't easy to look at, but I would urge people to do it and
just use it as that contrast to help you make a choice that your heart wants.
TSB: What do you say to
non-believers of UFOs and ETs who refuse to accept that we live in a diverse
universe?
LYRAN: I don't like to go out
of my way to change people's minds.
But we live in such a huge universe
and even God, you know, reveals Itself, Himself or Herself, to different species
according to their ability to understand and comprehend. So, if you're ready,
it's going to be there.
But I guess seeing is believing. Once
you have the experience … for those of us that are ET experiencers or contactees,
something came along that took such a hold of us, that made such a profound
difference in our lives that we were forever changed, and that isn't something
we can give away to another person. It's just something that we can talk about
and share, and then people are going to have to make up their own minds.
The best thing that I can ask people
to do is to agree to disagree with each other in a friendly and amicable manner,
because that, at least, keeps the discussion going and the questions open.
TSB: We also hear and read a
lot of things on the Internet, and you need to be discerning in what you take as
truth that resonates with you. We have a truth barometer right in here (indicating
heart), and what doesn't we can discard or just let it go. You don't have to
believe, and shouldn't believe everything you hear.
LYRAN: No, you shouldn't. I
mean, I started out in life, I was very left-brained, very analytical to begin
with, and it took me a long time to come around to a lot of the ideas and
concepts and experiences that I wrote down in my book.
It took me a long time to even deal
with it, like when I got chunks of memory back from hypnosis. I had to digest
it. I didn't want to believe it myself, because the stuff that was done to me
was unbelievably cruel.
I didn't want to believe it myself,
so what would a good scientist do? They would say, "Well, is there any other
data out there to support what I've remembered here?" And you go and you look.
TSB: People that have been in
the military all their lives … they do not know how to handle that kind of
information. They cannot believe that there is another sector of military that
does the kind of stuff they did to you.
LYRAN: If my experiences were
bogus -- if they were just something that my mind manufactured while under
hypnosis -- then I should not have found any collaborating data.
TSB: But you did, though. You
met a guy who said, "Oh, did you get an injection in the neck too?"
LYRAN: And he wasn't the only
one. I now know hundreds of people who have had mind-control abuse, many people
who have had ET experiences, either abductions by the Grays or contactees who
are connected to Star families the way that I am connected to the Lyrans.
There are people out there who are
connected to the Sirians, to the Arcturians, to the Pleiadians, and they
remember those contacts, and those contacts are a deep source of joy and
fulfillment, just like my connection with the Lyran people is a source of joy
and fulfillment connection for me.
I mean, it really does keep me going.
It's such a powerful knowing inside of me that, as difficult as life has been,
because … you know, there are times when life has been so difficult that I have
contemplated ending my life. But I know that if I do that, I won't go Home. And
I believe that so implicitly that it has prevented any attempted suicide. I just
know that it's not a way out. I know that suicide is a way to make everything
much, much worse.
TSB: There have been occasions
where there have been "lone wolf" shootings, and they end up killing themselves.
Are these people mind-controlled?
LYRAN: Some of them may be.
The other part of it is, I think, like in Auburn, Calif., when I was working at
a women's center, there was a murder/suicide of a police officer who killed his
wife and then himself. She was wanting a divorce.
TSB: In that case there was a
motive. Sometimes there's just off-the-wall … like that man in Colorado Springs,
who walked into the Planned Parenthood … whacko … and the Columbine shootings.
Sometimes I think these things are "set up" in order for the government to have
an excuse to come in and take our guns.
LYRAN: I think so too. Well,
look at all the people who have been under the influence of psychotropic drugs
and done mass shootings.
TSB: There's an epidemic in this
country with pharmaceuticals.
LYRAN: I'm not trying to
discount people's pain and anguish about the mass shootings that go on, and the
people who are killed, and the families that are devastated. I'm not
undercutting that a bit. But I also believe that it's people who hold the
guns that kill people. It is people who do the killing, it is not
the guns.
TSB: And it wouldn't solve anything
by taking away our guns.
LYRAN: It wouldn't solve anything,
it would just become more messy. I mean, what if all guns were confiscated and
all these people who are violent and wanted to do harm to others, what if they
make some kind of explosive device?
TSB: Well, gosh, look at Mexico … all the gangs and
drug cartels have guns.
LYRAN: There's so much more that could be done that's
worse than guns. I know that gun violence is a problem, but we need to look at
the deeper issues. We can't just make blanket statements that say, "oh, we just
need to take everybody's guns away."
TSB: Guns have been demonized. If it wasn't guns, it would
be something else.
LYRAN: Well, there's a saying that says if guns are
outlawed, only outlaws will have 'em.
TSB: That's right, and the only way to get rid of a bad guy
with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
LYRAN: And I'm not talking vigilantes here, but there are a
lot of good people who have guns, who use them responsibly and we should not put
them through gun confiscation when it's just a few people that are probably
mind-controlled and under the influence of drugs who are doing these shootings.
And please, please, PLEASE remember history … the reason we have the Second
Amendment is to keep the government from going wrong.
And the government is going way, WAY wrong! And if ever
there was a time NOT to give up our guns, it's now. I can't emphasize that
enough, and I say it as a pacifist who doesn't want to take a life … ever …
ever, EVER!
But I just cannot see that anything is served for anyone,
in any good way, by giving up our guns in the face of an encroaching Fascist
regime.
If you’d like to get Niara’s book, Facing the Shadow, Embracing the Light, go to
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