What can you tell us about the ET presence?
Look up the movie Wavelength. Itís based on a totally true story. Have you
seen it? Itís based on an incident that took place at Hunter Liggett. This is
a hot one.
No. Whereís Hunter Liggett?
Ninety miles south-southeast of Monterey, Calif. My primary station at the
time was Fort Ord. I was working there back in the early í70s, when I was in
the military, and I was working under CDCEC, which is Combat Developments
Command Experimentation Command. You can go look that up.
We were doing testing of all kinds of devices, and we lived out in the field
there. We wore laser protection goggles a lot of the time and we had our eyes
dilated routinely to check our retinas for burns. Some of the cattle in the
fields even wore modified goggles! This was the most bizarre sight you could
Well, one day something happened while we were testing. A disk came into the
area and it was hovering, it hovered right directly in front of us, out in a
field. So [pause] we shot the ----ing thing down.
You shot down a disk?
[shaking head] We should never have done it. It wasnít me personally, but the
group did. Between us we had all this gizmo weaponry and I guess they panicked
and thought they were in a movie or something. The disk was disabled and it
was captured, and so were the occupants, and I saw these very briefly. They
were small child-like humanoids, with no hair. And they had small eyes, not
large almond-shaped eyes. I donít think anyone knows about this. As far as I
know itís not on the Internet.
This is incredible. Iíve never heard of this incident.
Most of the other witnesses ended up in Vietnam and many were killed. I may be
the only living witness to what happened... I donít know.
The rest of the story is in a sci-fi movie called Wavelength, which was
released in the early í80s. Iíd never heard of it until I ran into it years
later, in Arizona. Did I just say this? [laughs, for the first time]
When I saw the video, I was expecting some, you know, light entertainment with
a beer or two, but I mean, my mouth just hung wide open. The beginning of the
film just completely clearly and accurately describes the incident, and the
film is very close to the rest of the story, including the use of an abandoned
Nike base in Southern California to store them.
Go find it. Itís all basically true. I was just amazed when I saw it. The
person who wrote it must have been there, or knew someone who was there. But I
donít know who.
I had a genuine alien photo once. I showed it to someone, a woman, a very
talented woman, who was a microbiologist working for one of the agencies. It
scared the s--- out of her. I couldnít believe it. She just didnít want to
deal with it at all. And Iíd say that just suggests that the public, even
scientists, arenít ready for this information to be released. And this person
was really smart. It didnít stop her from freaking out, just not wanting to
know. She was just, you know, totally spooked.
Do you still have the photo? Can we see it?
I donít know. I may still have it somewhere, and if I can find it, Iíll
forward it to you.
Can you describe it?
It showed a small being with dark skin, kind of black and wrinkled. He was a
sole survivor of an incident. But he died shortly afterwards. He had a suit
that was self-healing, ah... self-repairing. It was a kind of fabric, or
something, that would actually repair itself. And he had an artifact with him
that was some kind of remote control device, and that was taken away from him.
He was the survivor of a crash?
A time traveler?
You know everything, donít you?
No, but youíre giving us verification.
I mean, itís just so incredibly complicated. Itís so complex itís possible
that no one person has all the information. Most of the agencies donít know
what the other agencies know and everything is heavily compartmentalized right
up the wazoo. No one talks to anyone else about this stuff. Sometimes entire
projects are duplicated at the cost of God-knows-how-many billions, because
the existence of the other project is unknown, itís kept from them.
I mean, Iím a scientist, and scientists sometimes have one arm tied behind
their backs because they canít communicate freely. In fact, they canít
communicate at all [laughs]. And there are dozens, hundreds of classified
projects, I mean major ones. Itís just a total mess.
Look, there are many groups of ETs, and besides our own ancestors are mixed in
there. There are time loops upon time loops, and itís all a mess. Youíd need
an IQ of 190 to figure it all out.
Tell us about the time loops. By the way, can we ask you againÖ youíve not
heard of Dan Burisch?
Not that I remember. Itís not familiar to me.
We interviewed him last month. He was next to John Lear on the Web page.
I did see your interview with John Lear, talking about the moon photos and the
way theyíre airbrushed. NASA does that all the time. Heís quite a character,
by the way. Iíd like to meet him one day. What few people know is that radar
reports for the National Weather Service are also airbrushed, so that certain
radar images arenít released. I donít mean airbrushed as in by hand.
The radar images are electronically filtered
using software. Some of these radar traces are huge. In addition, the weather
radar wonít record traces that are moving faster than a certain high speed, a
couple of thousand miles an hour. But there are still traces which need to be
Sure. Theyíre often optically invisible, but usually show up on radar. Theyíre
also visible in ultraviolet... I donít think this is generally known by
So what can you tell us about the time loops?
Right. [long pause] The situation with time loops is that there are a large
number of parallel timelines, lots of branches. There are no paradoxes. [draws
a diagram] If you go back in time and kill your grandfather, thatís the
grandfather paradox everyone talks about, thereís no paradox.
When you go back and change the past, it creates a different timeline, which
is a new branch of the original one. On that timeline, youíd not be born and
wouldnít exist, so that aspect of the paradox is true. Do you see?
But on this timeline, which youíre on here and now, you do exist, and continue
to do so. Thereís no paradox. Itís simpleÖ do you see? Youíre dealing with
different branches of a kind of time tree. No principles get violated. All
future events are possibilities, not certainties. Thatís kind of pretty
important, an important... distinction. Thatís really all I can say about
Do you know anything about chemtrails?
OK. Chemtrails were developed by Edward Teller and are basically the seeding
of thousands of tons of microparticles of aluminum on the upper atmosphere to
try to increase the albedo of the planet, the reflectivity of the planet,
because of global warming. Now, gold microparticles, real gold, were used once
in a similar situation on another planet, but I guess they had lots of gold,
and we used aluminum instead. Global warming is partly because of the
greenhouse effect, and that certainly makes things worse, but most of it is
because of increased solar activity. Solar activity is the real problem.
Why isnít this information in the public domain? It seems like people
should know and would like to know, and thereís no security risk if what you
say is true.
Scientifically, itís just a total gamble. Not nearly enough is understood. It
may work, or maybe it wonít. It could easily make things worse. There may also
be health side-effects, weather side-effects, God knows what. It affects the
whole planet, and here you have a unilateral, nondemocratic decision, process,
to launch a huge technological special project that affects everyone on Earth.
If thatís not controversial, I donít know
what is. The solution is to keep it secret. Itís the usual kneejerk solution,
Will it work?
I donít know.
Is this also connected with weather wars?
[pause] Yes, there are weather wars. The Air Force will own the weather within
What else can you tell us?
Read The Report from Iron Mountain. Much of that is true. I was working
with a group down in [______]. They called us in and passed out a report. The
weird thing is that it wasnít even connected with what we were working on, and
it came just right out of the blue, out of nowhere, and none of us were
The guy said, and Iíll never forget it
because it struck me as just wrong: ďThere are the wolves and there are the
sheep, and we are the wolves.Ē Then they told us to go and read the report,
and that was that. There wasnít any choice, and there still isnít. The way
they see it is there are too many people, and, you know, theyíre right. Thatís
true. So they figure they need to eliminate them and theyíre planning
solutions to this.
I happen to think it doesnít have to be that
way. Apart from what Iíve mentioned so far about the spacetime problems, the
problem is overpopulation. Itís as simple as that. There are programs to
reduce global population for everyoneís benefit. Believe it or not, the intent
there is positive. It was put together by Kennedy way back then. The RAND
Corporation was involved, and one of the Rockefellers, I forget which one,
probably Laurance, I think.
By killing people off?
Basically, yes. Artificial viruses that have been deployed using a number of
means and are hard to detect or identify and nearly impossible to cure.
Medical people in the public domain canít identify whatís happening.
How do you feel about this personally?
Very mixed. [pause] As an individual flesh-and-blood human being, Iím
appalled. And as a scientist trained to look at things from a high vantage
point, a high overview, I have to say that I can understand the thinking. You
have to understand that Iím not defending or condoning this. Itís just a
comment from an abstract scientific perspective. But the problems we face on
this planet are so huge that very few people have the training or experience
to view it all, to see it all in the same field of vision.
My situation was different, and I got a
chance to see a lot of things because of the nature of my work. Most people
donít see it all. But Iíve worked with many agencies, and I have the big
picture. Do you know that itís legal to test biological and chemical agents
against US citizens? Itís legal.
You know, all that has to be done is to get
the approval of the mayor of the city, or his equivalent in any area. Or some
representative official. No one knows this, but it can be checked out. Go look
it up. Itís all carefully hidden away in the law somewhere, but itís all in
the public domain. Itís all there.
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